Shame
Posted by: ryno in charismatic churches, ex-charismatic, ex-church, fundamentalism, groups, hillsong, people stuff, people-watching, rant, religion, sociologyYou’re kind of fortunate, Both My Readers™, that I piked last night before going into one of my interminable wandering rants.
Having had an entire day to consider my content, I’ve condensed it to a wandering rant of finite length.

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Now before I get underway, let’s do the Belief Disclaimer Thing1. The problem I have is not with the Invisible Friends, but the complete inconsistency of a number of the nominal followers of that nice Mister Christ.
The supposed focus for the whole Christian thing is guilt.

[This section will possibly require some suspension of disbelief]
In brief, Man2 stuffs it up (as is Man’s wont) and God3 chooses to disregard the element of entrapment or that his alleged omni-stuff (both -science and -presence) would have allowed him to prevent or circumvent Grand Theft Apple. On goes the Black Cap, and it’s curses on this that and the other, plus Death for the puny hu-mans, including all those as-yet-unborn sproglets of the first scrumpers.
Time passes. If you’re following the thing in your Classics Illustrated bibles, we fast-forward to a change of testaments. The Essene essence of the narrative in the first four books is that God supposedly becomes a puny hu-man, Does Not Stuff It Up, gets deaded and thus cunningly subverts the nasty doomy thing he himself5 lumped Mankind with back in Genesis 3.
Now the process (also in the book) involves some notions called forgiveness and repentance, which appear to have interdependencies.
At least, the way I see it6, the repentance factor (on which forgiveness is conditional) involves turning the subject’s will away from the behaviour which is the subject of the wrongdoing.
Worse yet, I’ll have to use parables. Argh.
Example 1: Freda tends to spread harmful rumours. Freda does the “Oh God, forgive me” bit, and resolves not to disseminate any more nasty gossip. She fails a little now and then, but puts in an effort to change. Her behaviour is altered.
Result: Forgiven.
Compare this:
Example 2: Alfred has been underpaying his employees for years now. While he usually justifies it to himself that “they wouldn’t have jobs otherwise” or “they’d spend it on booze and so forth, and this way I get to give God ten percent”, occasionally he feels a twinge of guilt. On such occasions, Alfred puts an extra fifty in the collection, tells God that it is good for God to have influential Christian businessmen with money for the Kingdom, and reminds himself to dock Betsy for leaving early on Friday.
A minor jitter has occurred, but Alfred’s course is unaltered.
Result: I have to say “Not Forgiven”.

Where were we?
I had a lot more to say here, but I may well head up to bed. I’m merely sick and tired of types like the guy who went out of his way to nag me about how pr0n was “bad, M’kay” (and then was found out groping underagers), the worship-leaders who come into the whole Hillsong Trance after making some pretty vile racist remarks backstage, the Tellers Of Lies For God, the ones who Just Help God Out A Little…
You’re pretty washed-up in my eyes, and I don’t guess that matters a lot to you. You might, though, like to ponder how forgiven you are in your unaltered state, before coming after my apostate scalp again.
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TFF™0
0 Those Fundamentalist Footnotes™.
1 Your choice of Invisible Friends is all yours. Number, shape, name and rules of play are yours to choose: they always have been, and always will be. You can even make them visible if you like, but remember, it’s your game, and if somebody else chooses not to see Harvey, then that’s their game. This kind of stuff is always at arm’s length from hard science: that is why it’s faith.
2 This term will be taken to include women and Objectionable Men Who Want To Be Called Loretta.
3 The Father aspect in this case4.
4 Never minding that the doctrine of the trinity is extrascriptural: see 1.
5 For certain values of “himself”, anyway.
6 Your humble blogonaut studied for the ministry. (I got better!) Some tertiary theological study was involved, and I was still passing on exams and assignments when I quit. Those who are going to argue with me can go for their bibles if they wish. Phelps has a bible.


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March 7th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Number one generally confuses Teh Christians but I have met some good ones. They’re few and far between, though. Scott teh psych. guy is one– Catholic to boot!
March 7th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Oh, you get ‘em, the good ones. I suspect the “percentage of total” and “degree of goodness” is probably the same spread as found in any sample of the total population (with the exception of certain political parties and Nasty Interest Groups).
It’s just the irritants that get noticed most.
March 8th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
I just love you Ryno n yer beasties n herself
HUG
Kyla
March 8th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
G’day Kyla. You’d be one of those good ones I was talking about.
March 9th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Awww, thanx, yer a sweetie.
HUG
Kyla
March 9th, 2008 at 7:27 am
Well, I’m a Christian too, but one with an open mind but not so open that my brains fall out. I refuse to watch religion on TV because they’re SO caustic.
I don’t attend any ‘church, but just talk to Jesus and pray in my heart. Churches just want your money, and I’d rather give that money directly to the person who needs it. I’m an EX Mormon, but haven’t yet asked for my name to be taken off their ‘list’
And I try and help people IF I can. If I have no money to help them, I try and be encouraging to someone who is depressed or ‘down’ . I’m expecting my 8th grandkid next month, and I can only send my 2 grown daughters a little $.
Hi Naaid :)
HUG to Ryno
Kyla
From near Seattle
March 10th, 2008 at 1:52 am
Heya Kyla. If Ryno likes you, you must be one of those good ones I was talking about. Some of my favourite people are Christians and respect my choice of religion. :-)
It’s all about helping people to help themselves, no matter who you are or what your creed is. One does what one can.
Grandkids? Dude! I can but can’t wait for more babies to snuggle!